Let’s Talk Lost 5.03 “Jughead”

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Published On: January 29, 2009

Hey! It’s my reaction to the last night’s episode of Lost. You know, the one named after a character from the Archie comic?

Did I just date myself?

Again, the jump there will be spoilers. There will be theories. There will be analysis. Why? Because I love that stuff.


Let’s Talk Lost 5.03 “Jughead” from Bradley Robb on Vimeo.

Also, props to Andrew who nailed the spoiler for the episode last night on Twitter. If you’d like to join the Lost pregame Twitter Shootout, feel free to follow me @knownhuman

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  • http://flinginpoo.com Andrew

    I caught the “Charlie” thing as well and entertained the same idea, but my wife said that Desmond named his son that since Charlie gave up his life to save them. Still not totally convinced.

    Lost is throwing all their cards on the table (except the proverbial Ace up their sleeve) yet still managing to generate more questions than answers. Great season and still a fantastic ride.

  • http://www.bradleyrobb.net Knownhuman

    The only reason I stuck with the Charlie thing is that everyone is coming back to LA. Faraday's mother, who is almost certainly Ms Hawkings (Season 3 Jewelry store, Season 5 cryptic computer lady) is there to draw back Desmond.

    Sun flew there herself.

    It's a bit foolish to think that just because Desmond wasn't part of the Oceanic Six that he doesn't have to return to the island. As Faraday told him, he's “special. “

  • http://eric-gehler.biz/blog/ EricG

    “Charlie” I agree with Andrew that it was a tribute. But this is LOST. Wasn't Charlie on the island an orphan? and had a brother etc… so more than likely a tribute.

    Ellie was the name of the Aussie check I think that young Other ” Widmore” and Faraday encountered. Not sure if we got a CW wife's name given in past episodes. Does anyone recall?

    Interesting for me is the Faraday experimentation on the Red Headed Aussie that he “deserted” in the future and Widmore is Supporting.

    Wonder if they will use a Ashton Kucher “Butterfly Effect” movie Space Time Theme of events that changes time lines. Didn't Faraday already Discount the “Butterfly Effect” saying you can't change the past? or something?

    Great blog and Vcast Brad :)

    @bigebiz

  • http://kristilecain.com Littletechgirl

    Well where do I start?

    - I think Charlie (Desmond's kid) is just named after Charlie since he was a cool dude and died to save their lives.

    - I am thinking that Faraday may have actually re-invented (or maybe even invented in the first place) the technology that is on the island. Widmore had him on the payroll trying to help him get back to the island.

    - I think many many questions will be answered when we see who Faraday's mom is. “She's a very private person” got me thinking all kinds of things, but who knows. As you said it's Lost! Anything goes.

    - The Richard Alpert/John Locke exchange makes sense of the episode last season when he asked him as a kid “Show me which items already belong to you”.

    I have much more, but I can't get it all out. LOL

    @littletechgirl

  • http://www.bradleyrobb.net Knownhuman

    I'm really glad that Lost is moving away from the bad quasi Buddhist references that were initially spiked during the Alpert / lil' Locke meeting. It's a shift towards a more “scientifically” based reality. However, that science is going to likely destroy Locke – he's the one who bought fully into the spirituality of the island.

    Charlie being Charlie is one of my longshot predictions. I'd put the odds at slim-at-best, but it's Lost.

    As far as Faraday creating a lot of the technology on the island, that could make a lot of sense. He could have originally been involved in Dharma at Widmore's behest.

  • http://flinginpoo.com Andrew

    I caught the “Charlie” thing as well and entertained the same idea, but my wife said that Desmond named his son that since Charlie gave up his life to save them. Still not totally convinced.

    Lost is throwing all their cards on the table (except the proverbial Ace up their sleeve) yet still managing to generate more questions than answers. Great season and still a fantastic ride.

    • http://www.bradleyrobb.net/ P. Bradley Robb

      The only reason I stuck with the Charlie thing is that everyone is coming back to LA. Faraday’s mother, who is almost certainly Ms Hawkings (Season 3 Jewelry store, Season 5 cryptic computer lady) is there to draw back Desmond.

      Sun flew there herself.

      It’s a bit foolish to think that just because Desmond wasn’t part of the Oceanic Six that he doesn’t have to return to the island. As Faraday told him, he’s “special. “

  • http://eric-gehler.biz/blog/ EricG

    “Charlie” I agree with Andrew that it was a tribute. But this is LOST. Wasn’t Charlie on the island an orphan? and had a brother etc… so more than likely a tribute.

    Ellie was the name of the Aussie check I think that young Other ” Widmore” and Faraday encountered. Not sure if we got a CW wife’s name given in past episodes. Does anyone recall?

    Interesting for me is the Faraday experimentation on the Red Headed Aussie that he “deserted” in the future and Widmore is Supporting.

    Wonder if they will use a Ashton Kucher “Butterfly Effect” movie Space Time Theme of events that changes time lines. Didn’t Faraday already Discount the “Butterfly Effect” saying you can’t change the past? or something?

    Great blog and Vcast Brad :)

    @bigebiz

  • http://kristilecain.com Littletechgirl

    Well where do I start?

    - I think Charlie (Desmond’s kid) is just named after Charlie since he was a cool dude and died to save their lives.

    - I am thinking that Faraday may have actually re-invented (or maybe even invented in the first place) the technology that is on the island. Widmore had him on the payroll trying to help him get back to the island.

    - I think many many questions will be answered when we see who Faraday’s mom is. “She’s a very private person” got me thinking all kinds of things, but who knows. As you said it’s Lost! Anything goes.

    - The Richard Alpert/John Locke exchange makes sense of the episode last season when he asked him as a kid “Show me which items already belong to you”.

    I have much more, but I can’t get it all out. LOL

    @littletechgirl

    • http://www.bradleyrobb.net/ P. Bradley Robb

      I’m really glad that Lost is moving away from the bad quasi Buddhist references that were initially spiked during the Alpert / lil’ Locke meeting. It’s a shift towards a more “scientifically” based reality. However, that science is going to likely destroy Locke – he’s the one who bought fully into the spirituality of the island.

      Charlie being Charlie is one of my longshot predictions. I’d put the odds at slim-at-best, but it’s Lost.

      As far as Faraday creating a lot of the technology on the island, that could make a lot of sense. He could have originally been involved in Dharma at Widmore’s behest.

  • http://canthook.com/ Harl Delos

    I'm not sure if thinking as Jughead as a comic character really dates you. Forsythe Pendleton “Jughead” Jones III first appeared in Archie comics about 1941, and they're still publishing them, aren't they?

    In the 1920s, “jughead” was a fairly common insult for a stupid or foolish person. In one of the Louis L'Amour novels, set in the 1800s, there's a character who refers to his jughead horse, although I was never sure whether he was referring to a physical characteristic or the horse's addle-pated behavior.

    And, of course, to SOME of us, Jughead is a tool for Gopher administrators. THAT probably would date you. Gopher threatened to become a popular internet protocol but was cut off at the pass by HTTP. Most web browsers understand the Gopher protocol.

  • http://www.bradleyrobb.net Knownhuman

    You got me on most of those. I knew the word origin. I've never read L'Amour as I'm not typically a fan of the romanticized ideas of the west, and I only knew of Gopher tangentially.

  • http://canthook.com/ Harl Delos

    I’m not sure if thinking as Jughead as a comic character really dates you. Forsythe Pendleton “Jughead” Jones III first appeared in Archie comics about 1941, and they’re still publishing them, aren’t they?

    In the 1920s, “jughead” was a fairly common insult for a stupid or foolish person. In one of the Louis L’Amour novels, set in the 1800s, there’s a character who refers to his jughead horse, although I was never sure whether he was referring to a physical characteristic or the horse’s addle-pated behavior.

    And, of course, to SOME of us, Jughead is a tool for Gopher administrators. THAT probably would date you. Gopher threatened to become a popular internet protocol but was cut off at the pass by HTTP. Most web browsers understand the Gopher protocol.

    • http://www.bradleyrobb.net/ P. Bradley Robb

      You got me on most of those. I knew the word origin. I’ve never read L’Amour as I’m not typically a fan of the romanticized ideas of the west, and I only knew of Gopher tangentially.